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New Student Orientation: Dependence vs Independence


Posted by Tom Krieglstein on 15 Nov 2011 / 7 Comments



Luggage Porter by ColbyBluth

The day before Hurricane Irene made landfall along the Eastern Seaboard, a friend asked my wife and I to help volunteer setting up an evacuation center in NYC. While helping out, I was trying to be as nice as possible to the people coming in seeking shelter. I’d stop my work to help people carry luggage up stairs, answer questions, and clean up water spills. All of which I thought was part of my job as a volunteer.

After helping a family carry their luggage up some stairs, a supervisor stopped me and said…

“You shouldn’t be helping the evacuees as much because we need to train them to know that this is a self-help facility. They need to do things on their own. Training them that we will help them with everything is just setting us up for failure because there will soon be a lot more of them then there are of us and we won’t be able to help everyone.”

As soon as she said that, I flashbacked to the day before when I was doing an orientation training at a school and the president spoke before me. In his closing remarks to the orientation leaders, he said…

“No matter what, make sure to never, ever, ever let a parent pick up any luggage.”

Then a couple days later on Twitter I saw this Tweet…

So my questions are, are we doing too much for our new students? Are we training them that no matter what they need, we are going to make it happen for them? Are we turning college into a daycare facility verses a place where you are expected to carry your own bag because after all, it’s your life?

Written by Tom Krieglstein


  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/clconzen Christopher Conzen

    Thank you for posting this, Tom! This has been something I’ve struggled and challenged a bit as a student affairs professional. When I first arrived at my current job, it was common practice for advisors to create schedules for students as they passively sat at a desk waiting for the finished product. I can remember one evening where I spent almost an hour with a student who could only take classes Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday…after 5 PM (because he worked…an hour away). Every time I found a class that worked in his schedule, he would tell me one reason or another why that specific class did not work. That evening I walked into my colleague’s office who supervised that area and expressed that this system simply wasn’t working, and fortunately she agreed…and that night we started a new process that would teach students to search for their own schedules. It was a shock to continuing students, but semesters later it would drastically reduce the numbers of students who really did not need to come and could do all of the work at home, but did so because that was the culture.

    I share that because I think that’s just one example of our practices that give the fish rather than teaching how to fish.  But I think we as student affairs professionals are guilty of enabling this behavior because, frankly, many of us like to be needed. I think of the club advisors who are attending meetings at 10 PM at night because that’s the only time “they” can meet. Really? How hard have you pushed back on that? And, is it absolutely necessary that you attend each meeting? if so, how are you teaching these students to be self-sufficient?  I’m sure there’s a litany of examples out there…and I challenge all of us to start thinking critically of how our own behaviors and beliefs might be enabling rather than empowering…

  • Anonymous

    If there’s a line, it’s extraordinarily thin, blurry, and regularly ignored.  This weekend on 60 Minutes, Dr. Freeman Hrabowski, President of UMBC, talked about the need for the institution to help students succeed…. so much so, that he indicated that if a student fails, the university has also failed.  

    An excerpt of the transcript: 
    Hrabowski: We say at the beginning of the year,
    ‘Look at the student to your left, look at the student to your right.’ Most
    people who have gone to college heard the dean say, “One of you will not
    graduate.” Alright? And it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. If I’m at all
    insecure, or if I know I’m a little immature, I’m gonna say, ‘Oh my goodness,
    he’s talking about me. So, I may as well party this year, because I’m not gonna
    be here next year anyway.’ And it happens, right? We say, ‘Look at the student
    to your left. Look at the student to your right. Our goal is to make sure all
    three of you graduate and if you don’t, we fail. And we don’t plan to fail
    because we accepted you and we know you can do this work.’

    The video is here: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388127n

    Long story short, we can’t do enough to help students. Further, we can’t do enough to help students help themselves. Success is a shared responsibility. Skills need to be taught top new students, and who better to teach them than the students themselves?

    • JonB

      At my orientation, it was: “Look to your left, look to your right. At then end of four years, TWO of you won’t be here.”

      I learned a lot from my failures in college. Failure of a student does not imply failure of the university. There were programs and people at my university who helped me move on and succeed. 

  • http://twitter.com/DMarie2484 DMarie

    I’m really glad you introduced this topic. It’s something I’ve been pondering a lot myself, actually.  And I don’t really have a conclusion– I can see points for both sides. It’s important to be supportive, especially during transitions and growth periods. But I do wonder if we are so supportive that we clip their wings, sometimes. 

    Similarly, I wonder about my supervision of RAs sometimes.  At what point are they responsible for their own tasks, letting them try (and perhaps at times fail)? You never want to see them fail, but is that a part of the learning process?  And while communicating information is my responsibility, is retaining/remembering that information their jobs? IE Do I need to send reminders or does that make them dependent on me?

    Looking forward to hearing more perspectives on this topic.

  • Elizabethrthompson

    Might “interdependence” (two or more people or things dependent on each other) be another way to think about this?  Challenging and supporting students while still recognizing ourselves as part of the learning process means that we rely on one another — not just students on practitioners.

  • http://twitter.com/KimScott20 Kim Scott

    This is a great topic for discussion. I am currently working with an all freshman student organization and I’m trying to find the balance in advising them without telling them what to do. I think it is important to give students (especially first year students) the tools to be successful but giving them the responsibility of following through.

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    Thanks for the great info. I’ll be implementing much of this soon!

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